Why “Defund the Police” will fail

Today marks the one year anniversary of Breonna Taylor’s death at the hands of the government. Some call it murder, but the legal definition in Kentucky, according to Section 507.020, includes intent in the definition. It will be hard to impossible to improve the officers involved in the homicide of Breonna Taylor went to her apartment with the intent to kill her. That’s why I don’t think any of the officers will ultimately be convicted on any type of murder charge. That’s a different post for a different day though.

In 2020, we had to deal with the deaths of the three people above. All three killings involved active duty or retired law enforcement officers. In light of these and other killings by police, there has been a movement started to defund the police. The idea behind this is to take funding for police and move it towards other avenues in the community to alleviate police from having to respond to calls they’re not well equipped or trained to handle. These types of calls include mental health calls, and there have been others killed since these three from mental health calls alone.

While the idea appears sound and may provide relief and lower the number of homicides committed by police, there is one glaring shortcoming in this approach. There is no incentive or punishment for police to change their behavior in how they handle their calls. I’m all for getting people the appropriate help they need, and police are not always the answer for an emergency. That said, the ultimate goal should be changing police behavior away from the us vs them mindset that results in deadly force being used when it’s not required. Shifting money doesn’t change the behavior.

To change police behavior, we must go to the source where the behavioral policy is formed, the courts. Police use of force policy is typically written based upon what the courts will allow police to do. These decisions from the courts are usually wrapped in the logic of what any reasonable officer in that situation would respond. While that sounds okay to police departments, the departments are not really challenging themselves to actually determine what is reasonable among themselves. As a result, you get decisions from courts granting officers qualified immunity in cases where reasonable officers would have responded differently.

Take this case for instance. The 5th Circuit Court of Appeals reversed a district court and granted qualified immunity to two officers who tased a gasoline soaked suspect. There was a third officer who allegedly warned that tasing the suspect would light him on fire, and when the two other officers tased the suspect, he did catch fire. The fire burned down the house and the suspect eventually died from his injuries.

Click to access killing-the-suicidal.pdf

Now, there is a court precedent saying that tasing a gasoline soaked subject is not an excessive or inappropriate use of force. The court basically okayed the officers killing of the suspect when most any taser training will tell you explicitly to not deploy the taser on someone soaked in flammable liquids because they will combust. The court has taken an unreasonable application of force and made it reasonable and justified. This won’t be undone by defunding the police.

What needs to happen is we need to focus on the courts. The courts is where limits are set on what is considered appropriate behavior by police. When the limits are well beyond appropriate, we’re stupid for expecting police to remain within what would actually be appropriate. They’re given leeway to go above and beyond and will continue to do so until the legal side of the equation is recalibrated and inappropriate and excessive force is ruled as such.

On the one year anniversary of losing Ms. Taylor, I don’t want her death to be in vain. I don’t want her name to become just another person we mourn in the pantheon of unjustified police killings. No knock warrants have already been ruled unconstitutional. The original warrant applied for and issued was a no-knock warrant. The police used dubious evidence to obtain the warrant, so the warrant itself is questionable to begin with. This is all before we even get to the execution of the warrant.

Defunding the police and directing money to more appropriate applications of assistance will undoubtedly save someone’s life. That said, moving money around will not change police behavior, and that’s why moving money alone will fail. People need to take the defund the police movement and couple it with reclaiming and reining in the courts if the goal of slowing/stopping unjustified police killings is to be achieved.

1,248 thoughts on “Why “Defund the Police” will fail

  1. The Georgia GOP Is Begging Biden To Act On Battery Plant, While Dems Stay Silent
    With nearly 3,000 jobs at stake, Biden seems uncertain about using a veto, even as Republicans, a civil rights leader and a former Obama official push him to do so.

    Then there is the election laws the GOP is trying to pass.
    Well then kiss Biden’s royal ass. Throw the quid pro quo somewhere over in the mix.


  2. So as the Covid pandemic recedes and life gets back to ‘normal’ the mass shooter pandemic reasserts itself as part of normal American life /(death).

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    • oooo oooooh…now try it with Genergals

      Generals offer advice
      President ignores advice
      Conservatives: President is not qualified to command military and is at fault for ignoring generals

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  3. The Founding Fathers lived in a time when miasma theory held sway over the opinion concerning infectious diseases. The groundbreaking work of Louis Pasteur would not occur until another 70 years after the founding of this nation.
    And then there’s the whole atom splitting thingie . . . .
    They were some pretty clever fellas for their day, but there was much they were ignorant about sooooooooooo — fuck their intentions.
    They left us with a pretty nifty, if somewhat flawed framework, but we know so much more now than they did in the late 18th century and I see no reason to try and guess what they would do now.

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    • Fun fact: Thomas Jefferson thought that each generation should write their own constitution to suit them rather than trying to work with what some folks in the 1780s wanted.

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      • Well, just as long as they are a generation of god-fearing ‘muricans and not pope worshippin’, JERB STEALIN’, subversive ‘ropean Marxist!
        And don’t me started on foreign born socialist leaning felis domestica!

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    • If the NRA weren’t mired down with infighting and bankruptcy issues… LaPierre would be picking out a new private jet and getting his tailor to measure him for new Italian suits after last week and yesterday… Mass shootings are good for business.

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      • So is a Democrat in the White House. I talked to an ammosexual the other day and looked up some ammo prices… Gun and ammo manufacturers are probably shopping around for second vacation homes and expensive sports cars right about now.

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  4. Nearly all of the responses at the state Capitol to last week’s shootings have urged unity for Georgians going forward. Nearly all.

    On Tuesday, state Sen. Bruce Thompson, R-White, went to the well of the Senate to accuse his Senate colleagues of “false statements,” “race baiting,” and being hypocrites for speaking out against Asian hate crimes in response to the murders, which he called “tragic.”

    “The media keeps stating a ‘white’ man killed them. Why does that matter? I thought color doesn’t matter,” Thompson said, before asking why he hasn’t heard more about Elcias Hernandez-Ortiz, who was also shot during the rampage.

    “He was Hispanic, and he was shot. Do you hear that in the narrative? No, it’s a false narrative. You’re hypocrites for facilitating intimidation, false statements and race baiting. Why not be transparent? Are you afraid of the truth?”

    Sen. Michelle Au, D-Johns Creek, was not in the chamber to hear Thompson’s remarks, but state Sen. Nan Orrock, D-Atlanta, could be heard from a floor above as she responded during Thompson’s speech with an incredulous, “Wow.”



  5. Calling all Trumpers: Pro-Trump Georgia ticket shaping up for 2022

    It’s still in the embryonic stages, but we’re witnessing what could be the first step toward a pro-Donald Trump Republican ticket that will challenge GOP incumbents on the former president’s bad side next year.

    It started Monday with Trump’s endorsement of U.S. Rep. Jody Hice in Hice’s quest to unseat Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger.

    Trump’s intervention in that contest pushed another potential Raffensperger challenger, former state Rep. Vernon Jones, to suddenly threaten a challenge against Gov. Brian Kemp.

    Jones, a former Democrat, confirmed he is considering a GOP primary challenge against Kemp, who is up for re-election next year.

    “I’m looking closely at Georgia’s race for Governor,” Jones wrote on Twitter. “If it weren’t for Brian Kemp, Donald Trump would still be President of these United States.”

    Trump is also said to be scouting potential challengers to Lt. Gov. Geoff Duncan — state Sen. Burt Jones’ name keeps surfacing — and has egged UGA football legend Herschel Walker to run for U.S. Senate in 2022.

    Walker and Veron Jones might be longshots: Walker doesn’t live in Georgia and Jones only formally switched to the GOP a few weeks ago. But simply surfacing their names could compel other Republicans with longer histories in the party to run.

    And, at least publicly, it looks like Democrats believe they can outmatch some of these potential Trump ticket candidates. State party Chairwoman and U.S. Rep. Nikema Williams had an enthusiastic Twitter response to the idea of a Vernon Jones’ GOP candidacy: “Let’s go!!!!”

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  6. 1215 – Magna Carta signed

    It doesn’t mean what most people think it means – it was a way for a bunch of Lords to protect their privileges.

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  7. At Stately SfD Manor we’re not going to be tuning in these next two weeks.

    I know, it’s just commercial-based entertainment, but it’s also based on real life, verifiable facts. It’s always done its best to apply a scrupulous standard to what kind of answers it accepts from contestants (and performs corrections during the show to ensure that nobody’s cheated).

    We need more of this, not less–not “alternative facts–in our lives. Oz has built his riches on BS. He has no place in this enterprise.

    If the show’s producers weren’t adequately chastened by all the flack they’ve gotten from devoted fans up to now, maybe some epic crappy ratings might do the trick. Here’s hoping.


  8. Good points in the thread:

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    • We had over a century and a half of court interpretations that allowed for pretty much any restrictions on personal gun ownership being legislated. It’s only been in modern times that this absurd notion that the entire first half of the 2A somehow doesn’t apply to the second half has been allowed, in order to coddle conservative voters.

      It’s total bullshit and more Dems need to call it what it is.

      No, you whiny, frightened, right wing asshole, you are not a “militia,” and yes, we can tell you what guns you can and cannot own. Don’t like it, tough shit. Elections have consequences.

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      • I’m sick of it, too. Way past sick. And, you are on the money about militia interpretation.
        Where were these so-called “good men with a gun” yesterday in Colorado.

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        • I have not seen the details of the death of the officer but i would suggest he was a good guy with a gun and still the overall outcome is horrible. Perhaps he arrived too late. Perhaps he was an initial victim. I dont know. But his gun did not save 10 people. Even if he heroically stopped the shooter, still 10 people died. I dont consider that a success under any circumstance

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          • My guess is that the shooter was eyeballing the front door if he heard a siren approaching and shot whatever moved. There’s a video showing a body near the front door by checkout racks.

            The first officer going in has a high probability of taking a round or two. The typical level IIIA body armor that officers wear will stop most handgun rounds. High powered rifles will run through those same vests like ExLax on your colon.

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          • His death is horrible sad outcome. We all know the “good guy with a gun” scenerio rarely occurs, even for law enforcement. Part of the problem: armor piercing ammo in the hands of the citizenship

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  10. Reseeding the men’s March Madness 2021 field for the Sweet 16

    There is more movement on this list as compared to our first-round reseeding. We’re assigning more value to the way teams have played in the first two games and who they’ve beaten, while also considering the seed they had when they entered the NCAA tournament and whether they look like they can advance to the Elite Eight.

    With that in mind, here is our reseeded Sweet 16 field.


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  11. A family we are very close with has a brother that I used to hang out with. I haven’t seen him in years because he moved to Colorado, became a firefighter and got married. He was at that store yesterday 30 minutes before the shooter. Chilling.

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    • I think I might’ve mentioned it before, but I feel rather strongly it should be called “DC.” Period.

      If you live there, that’s what you call it anyway. And any other elements of “District of Columbia” are problematic for a state.

      So just call it DC. I guess we can go on calling the city “Washington” if we want, even though hardly anyone’s going to call it that, save for when it comes time to address a letter. (Maybe the individual neighborhoods can be used as residents choose, so it’d be “Anacostia, DC” or “Georgetown, DC” or whatever–the postal service will get it there.)


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  13. 😂😂😂😂

    Ex-Trump lawyer Sidney Powell denies guilt by arguing ‘no reasonable person’ would believe her

    It’s the Tucker Carlson defense. Where’s the kraken when you need one?

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  14. As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he . . .

    A man is literally what he thinks, his character being the complete sum of all his thoughts.

    Female lawmakers file complaint over misogyny in Georgia Legislature

    As the Georgia House debated sedation during outpatient surgery, a male lawmaker stood up to inquire about a female rapper’s plastic surgery.

    “Is it not true that this bill will provide safety measures to ensure that Cardi B’s backside implants will be safe and ensure a lifetime of effectiveness?” state Rep. Kasey Carpenter, a Dalton Republican, said Monday.

    The comment was another example of male lawmakers making inappropriate comments at the expense of women at the Capitol, even after the General Assembly required mandatory sexual harassment training and investigated a former senator.


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  15. “You may call me an anarchist, a socialist, or a communist, I care not, but I hold to the theory that if one man has not enough to eat three times a day and another man has $25,000,000, that last man has something that belongs to the first.”

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  16. Republicans’ “reasons” why DC shouldn’t be a state.

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  17. The music biz? It’s even worse for those making than the music than you might’ve thought.

    “streaming now accounts for 83 percent of all recorded income in the U.S. […] Streaming even killed iTunes; last year, digital music downloads returned less revenue than vinyl.”


    Marc Ribot, a guitarist who has played with Tom Waits and Elvis Costello, doubts that these direct-to-consumer sites are much more than a Band-Aid. “The same neoliberals in anarchist drag boosting indie labels in the ’90s are now boosting Bandcamp,” he said. “I love Bandcamp. I love the food co-op too. They’ve been around since the 1930s, they’re 3 percent of the market, will never be any bigger.”

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  18. So apparently, the key to becoming a state is based on whether you have a car dealership or not. Its not even based on the type of dealership (or is that the dog whistle part).

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  19. Great days in music history – March 22nd, 1978

    It just makes me want to start singing
    “I have always thought in the back of my mind cheese and onions”

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  20. How pizza lawyers make a living:

    ATTORNEY: Can you describe the individual?
    WITNESS: He was about medium height and had a beard
    ATTORNEY: Was this a male or a female?
    WITNESS: Unless the Circus was in town I’m going with male.
    ATTORNEY: Is your appearance here this morning pursuant to a deposition notice which I sent to your attorney?
    WITNESS: No, this is how I dress when I go to work.
    ATTORNEY: Doctor , how many of your autopsies have you performed on dead people?
    WITNESS: All of them. The live ones put up too much of a fight.
    ATTORNEY: Do you recall the time that you examined the body?
    WITNESS: The autopsy started around 8:30 PM
    ATTORNEY: And Mr. Denton was dead at the time?
    WITNESS: If not, he was by the time I finished.
    ATTORNEY: Are you qualified to give a urine sample?
    WITNESS: Are you qualified to ask that question?

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  21. From the AJC – Happening today: Democratic state Rep. Josh McLaurin is set to introduce a measure to require a five-day waiting period on firearms purchases in response to the deadly spa shootings last week.

    The AJC reported that the 21-year-old suspect bought a gun from Big Woods Goods in Holly Springs hours before the shootings that left eight people dead — including six women of Asian descent — at three spas in metro Atlanta.

    Prior to the shootings, State Sen. Michelle Au introduced Senate Bill 179, a bill to require universal background checks on firearms purchases or transfers in Georgia. That bill is still waiting for a hearing in the Public Safety Committee.

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  22. For a year and a half the Volvo had a small coolant leak. So small the mechanics couldn’t find it. It has now gotten a little bigger and thank goodness it just needs a radiator.

    After my old Volvo mechanic retired I’ve been using Vol Maz in Decatur. I like them, trust them and their work.

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    • Sometimes there are two plastic strips which goes on the sides of the radiator. It is whole lot cheaper to replace them and then pressure tested. My dodge had s small leak and my mechanic took it out and had it rebuilt in a shop. Cost about 30 bucks.


  23. Trump sets sights on Raffensperger:

    Posted: Georgia Republicans expect U.S. Rep. Jody Hice to announce a primary challenge against Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger this week, and several potential candidates are already lining up to compete for his House seat.

    On Sunday, a top adviser to Donald Trump teased what may be an endorsement from the former president for Hice later today.

    “Pay attention to Georgia,” Jason Miller said on Fox News’ Media Buzz program. “There’s a big endorsement that’s coming that’s going to really shake things up in the political landscape.”

    Despite Trump’s 0-2 record in the Georgia Senate runoffs, Miller called a Trump endorsement for any candidate “the most important in world history.”

    Over the weekend, David Belle Isle, one of Raffensperger’s 2014 GOP primary opponents, announced that he’ll run for the Secretary of State post again in 2022.

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    • Wow…….is right:

      “I thought rather than firing him, you know, I listened to him, but I didn’t do what he said because, frankly, his record is not a good record,” Trump told the podcast “The Truth with Lisa Boothe.”


  24. I saw a celebrity who has battled every drug and alcohol known to man for a long time.

    She was asked how the fight was going.

    She said the fight is going good, I am California Sober.

    That’s me, California Sober.

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  25. The never-ending, nine-week slog that was the runoff period in 2020 may be a thing of the past if lawmakers have their way, writes Mark Niesse. The details:

    “Runoffs would be held four weeks after an initial election, cutting short the state’s current nine-week wait.

    “Military and overseas voters would use instant-runoff ballots, in which they would pick their second-choice candidates upfront, rather than having to vote again in a runoff.

    “And special elections would be preceded by partisan primary elections, eliminating the kind of 20-candidate contests that included Republican Kelly Loeffler and Democrat Raphael Warnock in November.

    “Taken together, these proposals would make it more likely that the leading candidate in general elections would prevail in runoffs.

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    • “Military and overseas voters would use instant-runoff ballots, in which they would pick their second-choice candidates upfront, rather than having to vote again in a runoff.

      And exactly how are these ballots going to be separated from other mail-in?

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  27. The rise of NFAC (Not F**king Around Coalition) -Morning Joe . . .

    Black militia (doctors, lawyers, ex-military, teachers, etc.) group is growing.

    They say “we are the response not the threat and we are here

    for offense not defense.”

    Their mission: To defend the black community by any means necessary.

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    • The difference between NFAC and the White Militia. . .

      A Black militia of defense vs a White militia of white privilege,

      hate and violence !

      ‘Wild West without a sheriff’: ITV News witnesses a brazen display of militia power in Louisville


  28. “All those poor Black people who won’t vote now because the
    Republicans made it harder for them to”

    @ youlibs2

    All those poor White cons won’t stop Black folks from voting.

    If we have to crawl to the polls they won’t stop us from voting.

    You can take that to the bank !

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  29. NY Rep Tom Reed: “Davis told the Post in a story published Friday that in a Minneapolis pub in 2017, Reed was drunk when he put his hand on her back and then his hand outside her blouse, unhooked her bra”
    He would have been 45 years old. So he was drunk. What kind of 45 year old man does that?

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  30. One could write a book from the comments in this thread:

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    • You know, if these Sunday programs are going to do a minimum of 30 minutes on immigration, it would be good if they could maybe do some homework. Get some facts, have some knowledge, instead of just letting people get up and tell lies. Make them watch this interview, and say here, this is how it’s done.

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  31. Law enforcement officials including the director of the FBI have said the shootings in Atlanta in which eight people were killed do not appear to have been racially motivated, but the Georgia senator Raphael Warnock said on Sunday: “We all know hate when we see it.”

    So the FBI took the word of the murderer. What a bunch of schmucks.

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  32. Drove down to see my boy today. He made me a Shepard’s pie to bring home. Haven’t been to Atlanta in over a year. He took me to a pizza joint called Antico in mid town. Boy their pizza is great. After Jeffery is fully immunized I will pay him a visit.

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  33. I actually met the Georgetown reporter a couple of years after that when I was visiting my high school girlfriend at her college in VA. I didn’t remember him but he did me.

    Needless to say, he didn’t want to hang.

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      • I remember being a little surprised at how thoughtfully he processed the incident. from the wiki:

        “It’s a way for people to draw attention. I don’t know what the guy’s cause was. I didn’t feel the least bit threatened by it.”[6] When later asked to reflect on the incident, President Bush said, “I didn’t have much time to reflect on anything, I was ducking and dodging. I’m not angry with the system. I believe that a free society is emerging, and a free society is necessary for our own security and peace.”

        He’s still arguably the Worst President Ever, but this wasn’t one of his worst moments.

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      • I’ve always thought of this as Shrub’s finest moment of his tenure. I’d swallow my political distaste for him in a heartbeat and pick him first for my pickup dodgeball team.

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    • I remember the first one. We didn’t actually invade we just bombed them. I went down to Lafayette park to protest with a bunch of union bus drivers (I was working with handicapped kids back then). I got asked by a Georgetown student reporter (who seemed right wing), why I was protesting. I told him we didn’t need to be involved and we didn’t need to spend the money. I mean, we were in a recession. He shot back, do you know that Japan is helping us pay for this?

      I shot back, so we’re not the world’s policeman we’re their rent a cop? He scurried away hoping to find a less intelligent person to interview.

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